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rider
07-30-2009, 08:24 AM
Finally started work on this Saturn V kit after putting it off for a few months.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/intromenu.jpg.

That's mainly why I put it off. For the price and potential, it's a pretty lousy/sophomoric kit that left me feeling jooped and ripped off at purchasing.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/sv1.jpg.

The plastic sheets are very light (so to be workable), but the overlapping functions and bracing leave a lot to be desired. The first stage for example, I had to hold together with duct tape :(.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/sv2b.jpg.

That is all good and fine, but for the second and third stages where internal access becomes improbable, you end up with an easily collapsible rocket :(.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/sv2.jpg.

Stuff like that made me feel pretty grouchy. At the end of the day, this isn't some small little company trying to deliver a workable kit at a budget of generally obtainable and available resources, this is a world renowned kit manufacturer, and for me, such poor quality leaves little room for excuses. The box blurb grades this kit at skill level 5, (their highest) but that's a sophism in itself, as this kit seems to rely more on a wing and a prayer than any skill grade to build contently as is to any level of personal satisfaction.

Ofcourse, all levels of disappointment won't get this thing built, so I have started reworking in the hopes of learning how to solve it's obstacles and see if I can unify it accross the stages. So first step:-

The Third Stage

Being the smallest section of the model. I had a go at making my own fuselage. I got a piece of sheet styrene and using the kit sheet as a template cut it to scale, but left a gap, and with the aid of much superglue, brought the ends as close to the cut as I could and then used the brace to join them to eachother and the upper and lower end sections and hoped both the shape and the strength would hold them together.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/sv3.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/sv4copy.jpg.

It was looking very promising. Although the over A4 sized sheets of the other stages will leave me having to use the kit's sheets, as a method, this direction is looking healthy. :)

I figure my intention is to (if completed) have this piece able to be displayed both as the full on rocket, and also in it's stages, so I want to pack as much detail and aspects of the real deal as I can so it's going to probably be a long process to get there, but I'm hoping the results will reward the effort.

First up I started working on the engine section of the Third stage.
I cut and drilled out the yellow rim out of styrene and glued that in place. It is a little oversized but I don't have the means to go smaller for now.
I was was also scared incase it would obstruct it's connection to the lower piece of the rocket, but it seems to sit okay.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/sv5.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/sv10.jpg.

Revell only accomodate the spheroids for this piece as kit parts. I began kitbashing the various braces and wiring and hoping to get somewhere close to the look of the section.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/satv6.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/fdhfhg.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/fdhhh.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/gfhg.jpg.

Although there is still fine detailing to be added to it, I find myself sort of hopeful about the look.

The front of this piece I'm settling for an overall mild weathered metal look. I'm going to try to add wiring and various little bits onto it, aswell as sculpting the little 'dome' that seems to sit in the middle of this.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/dfhfd.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/hdfghg.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/dfgfdg.jpg.

I started painting the section to get an overall look and feel of appearence and gave it a light clear coat to evaluate the look. Hopefully not too glossy, and not too matt.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/scale2.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/scale.jpg.

Work is still continuing on this section and the next update will be soon.

For the moment, thank you for looking and hope you may like ;)

Refit1701
07-30-2009, 08:29 AM
As the President of the Saturn V modeling Society, I give this thread a:

10 FOR WIN!

Keep it up! I like what you added to the S-IVB thrust stucture. You know there are aftermarket decals for that, right?

The forward skirt of the S-IVB should have boxes along the inside walls but nothing much on the tank top. I think there is a instrumentation cable running to the center.

Questions? Check here: www.apollosaturn.com

Lord Boron
07-30-2009, 09:44 AM
Who has the aftermarket decals? I have one of these and definitely want to do a total repaint of it.

Refit1701
07-30-2009, 10:34 AM
www.spacemodelsystems.com

I'm not associated with him, just helped with the research.

Lord Boron
07-30-2009, 06:09 PM
Cool. Thx!!!

Gunnie
07-30-2009, 06:40 PM
Wow - I'm so jealous Rider! :notworthy: I've always wanted to get one of those and build it up - just never have found the opportunity to nab the kit...

I'm watching yours with keen fascination.

darkimmitator
07-30-2009, 06:41 PM
Very nicely done .The details are very convincing ! Can't wait to see your progress .

777
07-30-2009, 09:20 PM
Nice snaps rider!!

rider
07-31-2009, 04:43 AM
Thank you all so much. ;)

Small update:-
I've finally gotten hold of a Compass Cutter. :D
It's very paper orientated so requires a few passes for styrene and the blade is a millimeter or two higher than I would have liked (I don't think it's adjustable sadly), but judging by this test cut, it's not too bad and I am so glad to be rid of the scissors in this aspect. It shall hopefully be a blessing for this build.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/testc1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/testc2.jpg.

I've started trying to build the shield cover for the Command Module (which is also not included with the kit). Still a WIP and looking shoddy at this stage.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/towa.jpg.

Will have more soon ;)



As the President of the Saturn V modeling Society, I give this thread a:

10 FOR WIN!

Keep it up! I like what you added to the S-IVB thrust stucture. You know there are aftermarket decals for that, right?

The forward skirt of the S-IVB should have boxes along the inside walls but nothing much on the tank top. I think there is a instrumentation cable running to the center.

Questions? Check here: www.apollosaturn.com (http://www.apollosaturn.com)

That is so damn cool, thank you whole heartidly for the the link. It will prove invaluable. :notworthy:

One of the main pluses for me in trying this build is that I know so very little about the Apollo rocket, and this build will hopefully go some way into educating me about it's many wonders and 'how it works/what it all does' and improve my language as to what the various structures and pieces are called.

I agree with the detailing, thank you for that input too. I will do all I can to incorporate as much of it as the kit (and my fingers :p) allow.

I'm hoping to have a go at making my own decals when the time comes. They probably won't be as thorough but I'd certainly like to try and see if that proves successful.

Refit1701
07-31-2009, 06:21 AM
If you have any questions on anything Saturn V related just ask. I'm on here WAY too much and need something to do...

I have a ton of new pics too of most everything, something that I need to get uploaded to my website. If you need something specific, say so.

:D

rider
07-31-2009, 07:44 AM
Refit, that would be fantastic, thank you sir :notworthy:

I do have some questions for the moment:-

1) I’m currently prepping work on the second stage unit. For the aft section, there seem to be two base color schemes to select, either a green, or white. I’m planning to go with a mildly weathered* white as I think that would bring out the details better for this model scale. Would that be respectful to the overall lore of Apollo?

*I plan to weather all the inner sections, just to give a sense that, when exposed, it has been in use and indicate an impression of the various initial thrusts of the separations.


2) On the top of the second stage tank, is orange the most honest color to go with for this section?

3) I’ve attached this cnet picture (see below). It appears that during a particular era for display, the end of one particular module has a silver (or in this case, metallic) banding. I actually really like the look of it and am wondering about incorporating this for painting. Although I have no idea as of yet if it is true to the actual service era of the Saturn’s, would this banding also be respectful to incorporate?


Hope those aren't too much of a headache and very much welcome your input. ;)

Refit1701
07-31-2009, 08:14 AM
Edit: The instructions for painting that come with the kit are bogus. Don't use them. I forgot about that. See here instead: Saturn V Markings Guide (http://www.apollosaturn.com/markings/mguide.htm) for info.

OMG, my website is so dated now. I am embarrassed to look at it. I don't visit it very much, obviously.

Gotta get that fixed.


Number 3 first:

That silver section you see is a ground handling fixture and not actually part of the stage. So no silver paint, sorry.

Number 2:

Weathering is normally not done on rockets but you should build *your* model the way you want it. Don't let convention stop you.

Let me get back to you on questions 1 and 2 later today (when I get home and can dig out photos). I can't explain the paint to you with those horrid photos.

ugh.




I do have some questions for the moment:-

1) I’m currently prepping work on the second stage unit. For the aft section, there seem to be two base color schemes to select, either a green, or white. I’m planning to go with a mildly weathered* white as I think that would bring out the details better for this model scale. Would that be respectful to the overall lore of Apollo?

*I plan to weather all the inner sections, just to give a sense that, when exposed, it has been in use and indicate an impression of the various initial thrusts of the separations.


2) On the top of the second stage tank, is orange the most honest color to go with for this section?

3) I’ve attached this cnet picture (see below). It appears that during a particular era for display, the end of one particular module has a silver (or in this case, metallic) banding. I actually really like the look of it and am wondering about incorporating this for painting. Although I have no idea as of yet if it is true to the actual service era of the Saturn’s, would this banding also be respectful to incorporate?


Hope those aren't too much of a headache and very much welcome your input. ;)

rider
08-01-2009, 03:46 AM
That silver section you see is a ground handling fixture and not actually part of the stage. So no silver paint, sorry.

I had a niggling feeling that may have been what it was, thank you for clearing that up ;)
I'm starting to realize the yellow rim I added on my 3rd stage is also part of the handling fixtures, I may keep that one tho :D

Your website is pretty damn cool. Loving the pictures, research and info :-)

Damien9479
08-01-2009, 04:56 AM
Thank you all so much. ;)

Small update:-
I've finally gotten hold of a Compass Cutter. :D
It's very paper orientated so requires a few passes for styrene and the blade is a millimeter or two higher than I would have liked (I don't think it's adjustable sadly), but judging by this test cut, it's not too bad and I am so glad to be rid of the scissors in this aspect. It shall hopefully be a blessing for this build.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/testc1.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/testc2.jpg.

I've started trying to build the shield cover for the Command Module (which is also not included with the kit). Still a WIP and looking shoddy at this stage.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/towa.jpg.

Will have more soon ;)





That is so damn cool, thank you whole heartidly for the the link. It will prove invaluable. :notworthy:

One of the main pluses for me in trying this build is that I know so very little about the Apollo rocket, and this build will hopefully go some way into educating me about it's many wonders and 'how it works/what it all does' and improve my language as to what the various structures and pieces are called.

I agree with the detailing, thank you for that input too. I will do all I can to incorporate as much of it as the kit (and my fingers :p) allow.

I'm hoping to have a go at making my own decals when the time comes. They probably won't be as thorough but I'd certainly like to try and see if that proves successful.
Sweet I have that same cutter!!....It is slightly awkward to use but it gets the job done...If I ever figure out a way to adjust the blade height I'll let you know ;)
Awesome start Rider!!...I have always wanted this beast but never got around to getting one :(
I'll be following this WIP to see what you do with it! :D

Tom:cool:

rider
08-01-2009, 08:26 AM
Thank you Damien and it's nice to share rotary cutting solidarity with someone :D

Refit1701
08-01-2009, 08:52 PM
I've had to go out of town all day Saturday so I wasn't able to get any new info for you. Hopefully I can take care of that on Sunday.

rider
08-02-2009, 04:25 AM
No worries Refit ;)

rider
08-02-2009, 10:25 AM
Just a brief update.

I've built some detail on the inside section of the third stage. It's pretty impossible to superglue bare naked wire, so I had to settle for the insulated caliber, (which makes it rather oversized), but I just have to accept that :p

I've also had to elaborate from the truth of the details in that I 'squished' their location so they only reach mid point, (this is so the adjoining section can slot into place). I took some pics to see how it all looks on camera.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/3s4.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/3s3.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/3s2.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/3s1.jpg

Hmm :icon_rolleyes:
It looks very messy and the first thing that hits my attention is that the Miliput bolt things need much more attention and trimming cuz they look oversized, totally without definition and quite splayed to say the least.

Second thing that hits me is the pipe, looks very foily and so I need to try something else for it.

The overall impression, the mass of colors and tones is too busy like this so a repaint is in order to make everything more uniform. Okay, back to it :D

Refit1701
08-02-2009, 01:14 PM
Looks good Rider!!

rider
08-03-2009, 12:40 AM
Thank you kindly Refit ;)

Here's an update on take two :D.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/3sb2.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/3sb3.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/rider4d/3sb1.jpg.

It does still look a little patchy and messy in macro, but the wanna be helicopter/aerial shot in this bottom pic is closest to naked eye representation and I am feeling so much happier with this rework :D.

I've dropped the metallics and think these colors are closer to the look of this section. As a supposition, I'm guessing most of the weathering stems from the era when one of the rockets was left on display outside with the elements doing its thing with this section.

I've still got the pipe section to remake and some other small bits but couldn't resists sharing these pics.

More soon ;)

Wombat
08-04-2009, 06:43 AM
Hey thats some nice work dude.I've got one of these kit's but could never be bothered building it.What your doing just shows what ya can do with one of these big buggers.

Keep up the great work there!!

PakRatJR
08-06-2009, 06:52 PM
Cool....:D:D

I have been looking at getting one of these for several years but, due to the price....I REALLY wanted to see what the kit looked like before I bought it.

Definatly interesting....:-)


That's mainly why I put it off. For the price and potential, it's a pretty lousy/sophomoric kit that left me feeling jooped and ripped off at purchasing.


Would have been my thoughts/feelings exactly :(

Looking great so far, and I will be watching this build closely. :cool::D

ModelMan
08-29-2009, 08:07 PM
OH man, I've heard about this kit. I gotta remember to steer waaaay clear of it! You are def. turning this nightmare into a thing of beauty. Congrats to the success so far and best wishes for fair weather. "God's speed, Apollo!"

Shaw
08-29-2009, 09:54 PM
So I was reading along and looked up images of the third stage... WOW! You did a great job on matching the real thing.

I'm always impressed when people can match real life objects like that. :notworthy:

T70MkIII
12-05-2009, 02:59 AM
Very nice work, Rider.

I have just purchased the 40th anniversary version of this kit, and I took out the instructions to read while I was on holiday... I'm a a complete idiot - I can't find them now!!!

Does anyone have a scanned copy (or the ability to scan theirs)? Please PM me if you can help. Thanks very much

Regards
Richard

T70MkIII
12-05-2009, 07:49 AM
Found a copy on Revell's Europe website

rider
12-06-2009, 11:27 PM
Hey guys, thank you so very much for the comments, and sincerest apologies at my lack of updates. I'm happy to read of more members tackling this kit and happy the instructions got sorted out for you T70MkIII.

This build is still continuing, (not been abandoned), just being slow about it. But here's a little teaser which is, as they sometimes say, tip of iceberg on progress.

I've messed around a little bit on the third stage engines. Still tinkering on those. I added some brass rod braces to their alcoves.

Beneath them, two pics from the second stage. I added some greeblies to the bottom section. It's going to need a heat shield before adding the engine bells. I got lucky and found some red and blue wire (not pictured here). At 0.5mm its a tad too girthy for the scale but, it'll do, so that is still in the process of being built up.

The top section of the second stage. I had to sand down the embossing that Revell had there, and I built up the center detail and added a few bits here and there.

Not much to show for now I know, but more coming soon. ;)

Thomas E. Johnson
07-27-2010, 05:09 PM
Anymore progress on this beast?:)

Boxster
07-28-2010, 08:33 AM
Very nice work and I like the weatherings on the dome thingy!

B

rider
08-02-2010, 06:50 PM
Thanks guys. ;)
Sorry to say, other than some construction there's not been much progress since the last post. Projects still live and the parts stare me in the face each evening but I've been a little lazy and distracted lately.

This post may bring back the impetus to get on with it :D

dbhs
08-28-2010, 04:43 PM
Rider,
Your paint job on this is amazing. are you going to display it in sections so these inner parts are visible? Cant wait to see the outside getting painted.

Snagger
11-02-2011, 01:04 PM
Old thread, but up-to-date (as of a visit last week) information on one of th questions asked early in the thread for anyone building a Saturn V now - the circular frames at the ends of the 1st and 2nd stages and the top of the fuel tank in the first stage of the real Saturn V at KSC are painted bright gloss yellow rather than orange - the orange in the photo in this thread is a trick of the light/photography. Whether these parts were originally painted that way or whether it was painted up for display I don't know...

Nice build, though, especially for such a hard looking kit!

youngtiger1
04-16-2012, 08:30 PM
Very nice build here. I have the same kit that I'm hoping to build it soon. So, your build will be a nice reference point for me. Keep up the good work.

Mike