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Max Zephyr
07-20-2009, 01:48 AM
Alright time to ask the experts out there. I know there are differences to the lunar lander design per mission but need pointed in the right direction for good reference regarding the Apollo 11 lander. Site links, available prints, diagrams, things like that.

Thanks Guys! :notworthy:

Max Zephyr
07-20-2009, 02:08 AM
For example are the LM diagrams on this site the right ones for the Apollo11 mission?

http://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/drawndocspacesaturn.htm

Refit1701
07-20-2009, 02:51 AM
My friend Karl has LM info on his site: www.myspacemuseum.com

Click the site map button and scroll down to his info on the LM's.

Also there is the www.apolloarchive.com which has mission photos.

My website doesn't have too much on the LM's but you can check it out, especially the Modeling section: www.apollosaturn.com

Max Zephyr
07-20-2009, 07:35 AM
Excellent photos, those will be a great help thanks.

If I can confirm which drawings are the best to get I'll be in business.

Refit1701
07-20-2009, 07:57 AM
http://www.myspacemuseum.com/pjlmpics.htm are mostly of LM-5, which was Apollo 11's LM.

If you visit the apolloarchive.com and select "Apollo Image Gallery" in the upper left and then "Apollo 11", scroll down and you'll find most if not all of the shots taken from the surface, many of which have the LM in them.


Here's the Ascent stage patterns: http://ninfinger.org/models/vault/LM-5%20Apollo%2011/index.html

http://spacemodels.nuxit.net/LEM-24/index.htm This is Vincent Means LM project. It's hugely complex but there is no better structure reference than his model. Look at the links at the top of the page.

Max Zephyr
07-20-2009, 01:28 PM
Very cool, thanks! I just need to find and buy a nice set of schematics with dimensions and I can get this thing started finally.

I have wanted a big lander for some time but was undecided on scale until I saw the 1:12 scale figure from Dragon and new that was it LOL. Damn big but should be hell of fun.

BB43MAN
07-20-2009, 02:44 PM
The LM's were indeed different for each mission, in the way that some missions were H missions and others were J missions, for longer stays on the Lunar surface.

For each LM, from Spider (Apollo 9) thru Challenger (Apollo 17), there were variations in kapton foil and paint. The overall shape was the same except for the decent stages from AP15 on, which had the lunar rover attached. LM 5 (Eagle) was for an H mission=limited stay on the surface.

I recommend "The Virtual LEM" by Scott Sullivan. An awesome book and one that will tell you everything about the LM. If you can't find it online, try the Kansas Cosmosphere gift shop. You will have to call them to order it, as it's not on their website store, but they do credit card orders. I just placed one with them Friday! Great service. This book shows every nook and crany of the LM, all in color, and comes with a CD of photos of the construction of the LM's and PDF documents that will have the dimensions you need.

Also, check out the websites "Apollo Lunar Surface Journal" and "Project Apollo Image Gallery". Both great sites and filled with tons of info about the LM.

Good luck and and I hope this helps!

:D

R L Bleecker
07-20-2009, 02:45 PM
Yes... you'll want LM-5 specifically. Mostly for placement of the kapton foil and colors on the descent stage. Each LM had different variations of kapton application and placement. The plan views and overall drawings should be just fine for the shape and dimensions of any LM in the series. The later landers which carried the rovers and heavier equipment had a larger descent engine skirt for increased thrust. Overall, the ascent stages look almost the same.

R L Bleecker
07-20-2009, 02:46 PM
Posted at the same time, LOL!

Max Zephyr
07-20-2009, 02:57 PM
Thanks Guys!

That book sounds like the ticket! I'll check that out and thanks for the info.

R L Bleecker
07-20-2009, 03:16 PM
http://spacemodels.nuxit.net/LEM-24/index.htm This is Vincent Means LM project. It's hugely complex but there is no better structure reference than his model. Look at the links at the top of the page.

That's just fucking great! I'm drooling over the work right now. This guy is really nailing it.:notworthy:

R L Bleecker
07-20-2009, 03:21 PM
http://spacemodels.nuxit.net/LEM-24/Forward-section%20cockpit/P1120158.jpg

Words just fail me.

Talen
07-20-2009, 03:26 PM
That's insane, if I didn't know it was a model I would have thought it was the real thing.

The Cat
07-20-2009, 03:37 PM
Awesome. Purely.

R L Bleecker
07-20-2009, 03:39 PM
I saw a real hand controller armrest in Oklahoma at the Thomas P. Stafford Air and Space Museum in Weatherford last year.

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2504/85/29/1206042933/n1206042933_30177131_337055.jpg

R L Bleecker
07-20-2009, 03:43 PM
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2504/85/29/1206042933/n1206042933_30177133_4942411.jpg

Real rendezvous radar assembly. First solid-state radar ever to fly in space!

Refit1701
07-20-2009, 04:25 PM
Very cool, thanks! I just need to find and buy a nice set of schematics with dimensions and I can get this thing started finally.

I have wanted a big lander for some time but was undecided on scale until I saw the 1:12 scale figure from Dragon and new that was it LOL. Damn big but should be hell of fun.

OH, you want scaled drawings.

www.realspacemodels.com sells David Weeks' spacecraft plans. He has a set of the Apollo Spacecraft which has everything you'll need.

http://www.apollosaturn.com/modeling/dwapollo.htm is a preview I did years ago.

Max Zephyr
07-20-2009, 04:53 PM
That will do the trick, thanks.