Revell Viper

[beeblebrox666]

I'm planning a diorama of either a crash or maintenance scene. Which I do depends on how well I scratchbuild the landing gear.

http://www.resinilluminati.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25490&d=1237692863

[Richard_2001]

beeblebrox666,

Looks good so far! I hope it turns out for a maintenance diorama.

RIchard

[79 daytona]

Great start!! I to hope for the maintenance diorama.

[Boxster]

Idea numero uno: Viper got trashed by Wolverine with 3 claw slashes everywhere and in the workshop for body works and a hot rod paint job.

2: Viper got dented by that careless Xwing driver while reversing. Viper dented panels being replaced in workshop and mechanic turned out to be a Vulcan.

3. Viper just going thru monthly maintenance by a crew of hot female mechanics.

Heh, seriously, I think maintenance is my preferred choice too! Man, those landing gears gotta be hugely tiny to work on! Looks good!

B

[Boxster]

double post!

[beeblebrox666]

Yeah, they are an itty-bitty bit on the small side of tiny.:D

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0002.jpg

Idea #4:
Topless wash 'n wax.:cheer:

[Richard_2001]

beeblebrox666,

OH those are looking SHARP!!!!!! :cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:

I can see they are heading towards maintenace instead of bad flying ;)

Good tiny job so far!

Edit: Maybe you should make some masters for casting I bet they would sell!

RIchard

[beeblebrox666]

Thanks. Most of the pics I'm using look like parts are missing, so I may have to guess a few things.

http://cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/Viper/viper18.jpg

There's actually a resin set of landing gear available, but I'm just stubborn enough to hold onto my fifty bucks.;)

[79 daytona]

Those look GREAT!!!

[beeblebrox666]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0003.jpg

[Wombat]

WOW,looking real good there for sure.:cool:
Great bit of work thus far and even more so being such small pieces.
I agree with RIchard,it's looking more like a maintenance bird the way these are turning out!;)

[Richard_2001]

SWEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheer::cheer:

RIchard

[beeblebrox666]

Does anyone have a pic of an open canopy? I photoshopped how I remember it.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/viperN12.jpg

[swhite228]

Does anyone have a pic of an open canopy? I photoshopped how I remember it.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/viperN12.jpg

They never went to a right angle.

[beeblebrox666]

Is my hinge point correct?

[rider]

Great start ;)

[79 daytona]

That looks outstanding!!!!!:D

[swhite228]

Is my hinge point correct?

The way to solve the problem of the hinge placement and canopy angle is to go to the end of the canopy back by the engine. If you place the hinge there then open the front as far as you can without touching the engine shroud you will be close to the correct angle.

[beeblebrox666]

^Thanks.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0004.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0005.jpg

[beeblebrox666]

You mean like this swhite228?

http://www.resinilluminati.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25287&d=1237261181

[Richard_2001]

beeblebrox666,

Yep that second one looks pretty close.

Richard

[U-boater]

Those landing gear look great!


I'll second that! :thumbsup:

You could've taken the easy route,and used a resin after-market
landing gear set...

But some times, nothing can surpass the beauty and artistry of
scratch built details.

Well done Sir!!:cool::notworthy:

[R L Bleecker]

Bad ass, Joseph, bad-ass!

Great job on those skids, Jimmy!

[Raytheon]

Very slick workmanship as usual Beebs.
Going be a peach this one, I can feel it :D

[swhite228]

You mean like this swhite228?

http://www.resinilluminati.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25287&d=1237261181

Like my pal Rchard said you almost got it.
But to be honest you could leave it at that angle and no one would notice as the angle changed slightly from show to show.

[beeblebrox666]

I appreciate all the input and encouragement.

I'm thinking about doing the scene stranded on a planet. A lot of opened panels on the ship, parts and tools all over the ground and the pilot standing nearby with a booze bottle in his hand.;)

Bad ass, Joseph, bad-ass!

Great job on those skids, Jimmy!

Thanks Billy Ray Gene Carl!;)

[beeblebrox666]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0006.jpg

[Richard_2001]

beeblebrox666,

AWESOME execution on that buddy!!!! I like the open panels tools scattered folding chair and ambosia drinking pilot on a deserted planet idea.

RIchard

[SpaceMind]

Excellent job on the landing gear!!!

[79 daytona]

WOW!! Outstanding work!

[DaGooseman]

Damn !!! Excellent job so far :D

[beeblebrox666]

I decided to make the front landing gear positionable in case the ship ends up on rough terrain. The little hydraulic works. ;)


http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0007.jpg


http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0008.jpg


http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0009.jpg

[SpaceMind]

LOL... Awesome!!! LOVE the working Hydraulic!! Too cool!!!

[79 daytona]

That looks so COOL!! Keep up the great work.:D

[Boxster]

Looking most wonderful, BB!!!

B

[Richard_2001]

beeblebrox666,

Looking great!!! You do good work !!!!!!!!!!

I love how it is turning out

RIchard

[DocTor]

most excellent!!!!

[atacpdx]

Great job on the hydraulics! Are they brass?

[bar]

Sweet!
Are you going to be making the motorbike storage bay?
:D

[bar]

guffaw

That's funny right there.



Tell me you're not doing the flying bike too....;)
I always wondered where they kept those bikes...
I know from experience a motorbike is hard to hide. Although by the time they have cloaking devices on the Vipers, perhaps the Viper MAKES the bike with a 3d printer...
Bar.

[Wombat]

That's some real fine work,it looks really good what you've done there so far.
Can't believe that it works also,very impressive dude!:cool:

[rider]

That really rocks. Excellent ;)
I so love this shot. :D



http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0008.jpg

[beeblebrox666]

Thanks everybody. This is a fun one.:D

[LastBattlestar]

I always wondered where they kept those bikes...
I know from experience a motorbike is hard to hide. Although by the time they have cloaking devices on the Vipers, perhaps the Viper MAKES the bike with a 3d printer...
Bar.

LOL, just PRINT out a bike every time they need one! That's bloody great, Bar!:D:D:D

But this:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0007.jpg

...is a classy piece of engineering. Good job, BB!

Mike, Oz

[bar]

LOL, just PRINT out a bike every time they need one! That's bloody great, Bar!:D:D:D


We know that USS Voyager had that technology every time they blew up a shuttle...
:D

[R L Bleecker]

Those viper bikes probably folded up like a lunar rover stowed in the descent stage of an LM. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it!

[Schweinhund227]

That kind of work is gonna Stop Crowds !!!

Very cool Details.....


Take care !

[beeblebrox666]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0010.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0011.jpg

[SpaceMind]

VERY Nice!!!! Great work!!!

[R L Bleecker]

Great job, Javier!

[Richard_2001]

beeblebrox666,

This build is getting better and better!!! First we get precise first rate landing gear, now we get a great look under the hood of the Viper! Man that equipment bay looks AWESOME!!!!!!!!

RIchard

[bar]

Sweet!!!
Just remember and ALWAYS cut the yellow wire first!
I mean blue!
That interior bay is very nice there. Good work!
Bar.

[beeblebrox666]

I'm going to have another open panel near the nose and one on an engine. Any more than that might be overkill.

Thought this looked pretty cool but I don't want mine to look like it was stripped for parts in a dark alley.
http://starshipmodeler.com/contest/dio_06.htm

[R L Bleecker]

Overkill?

Nah. I'd like to see a Viper stripped down to the spaceframe for its 1000 flight hour phase inspection. Complete tear down, corrosion inspections and maintenance. That would be cool. All avionics pulled out, etc. Engines on test stands. The works!

[79 daytona]

Great work!! :D

[Wombat]

Thats just awesome,this'll be a great lookin diorama ya doing.
Fantstic idea there with those removed panels and exposed internals!:cool:

[beeblebrox666]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0012.jpg


http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0013.jpg


"Definitely gonna need new muffler bearings, fan belt buckles and I think yer blinker light fluid's about a quart low."

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0014.jpg

[robn1]

And check the wire on the catastrophic converter, it's got a shorrraghhhrrt in it :D

[KUROK]

Yep, definitely the Fetzer valve.

[bar]

Yep, definitely the Fetzer valve.


We're going to need a hundred weight of ball bearings too.
It's ALL ball bearings nowadays!
Great work!!!
Are those panels going to be attached, but hinged? Or will they be sitting off to one side?
Bar.

[R L Bleecker]

Yeah well CLEAN those windows. They have filth and muck all over them... :D

[bar]

Yeah well CLEAN those windows. They have filth and muck all over them... :D


*Bar leans on engine*.... "HAI!!!!"

[R L Bleecker]

Bar says, " I was held up when a manure-spreader jackknifed on the M6... you should SEE my shoes! Whookhee.... "

[bar]

Pennzoil... No... Make that Quakerstate....

[Wombat]

Damn,this just keeps getting betta.
More nice work there,that looks real good.
The way it's going it's gonna look fantastic when it's all done!:cool:

[79 daytona]

Man that looks outstanding!!!:D

[beeblebrox666]

Are those panels going to be attached, but hinged? Or will they be sitting off to one side?
Bar.

On the ground next to beer bottles.;)

[bar]

On the ground next to beer bottles.;)

Nice!!!
Will you be having piles of tools lying around too?
Bar.

[beeblebrox666]

Nice!!!
Will you be having piles of tools lying around too?
Bar.
These look promising.
http://www.milminwh.com/images/Plus%20Model/PL077.jpg

[bar]

These look promising.
http://www.milminwh.com/images/Plus%20Model/PL077.jpg

Sweet!
I look forward to seeing this all come together!
Bar.

[beeblebrox666]

Upper engine.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0015.jpg

Engine in place. Also playing a little with the canopy.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0016.jpg

Landing gear doors.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0017.jpg

[DocTor]

Wow. LOVE that engine.

[Wombat]

It's just incredible the detail you are throwing at this bird!:eek:

That engine looks sweet and the landing gear doors look the part.
Keep it coming,ya keep blowing me away with this build up!:cool:

[79 daytona]

Man i just love what your doing with this Viper!!:D

[droplite]

Nicely done there!

[beeblebrox666]

I'm not a big fan of raised panel lines (I've already sanded a few off), so I'm thinking of removing and rescribing them. Problem is, I've never done that before. Anyone care to point me at a good detailed tutorial? Other option, I could just paint the panels.

[R L Bleecker]

Well, Jean-Pierre... the first thing you're gonna wanna do is git yerself some Dymo label tape and either a dental scribe, the back of a number 11 X-acto blade or plexiglass scoring tool. Now at ACE, where you work, you should have easy access to at least the last two. It's pretty easy. The safest option is the dental scribe.

[bar]

I'm not a big fan of raised panel lines (I've already sanded a few off), so I'm thinking of removing and rescribing them. Problem is, I've never done that before. Anyone care to point me at a good detailed tutorial? Other option, I could just paint the panels.


Alex Dumas has a good one on his site.
And he scribed a 1/72 Viper with it... (http://www.geocities.com/adumas02/howto_scrib.html)
I have the BEST SCRIBER IN THE WORLD in my possession.
It's a $78 dental scaler...
I use it all the time for panelling. It's unsurpassed in it's strength(It's made of surgical steel), and in it's ability.
Bar.

[nx9117]

WOW!!!! Awesome work cant wait to see it finished!!

[beeblebrox666]

Well, Jean-Pierre... the first thing you're gonna wanna do is git yerself some Dymo label tape and either a dental scribe, the back of a number 11 X-acto blade or plexiglass scoring tool. Now at ACE, where you work, you should have easy access to at least the last two. It's pretty easy. The safest option is the dental scribe.

I would have never thought of those labels. Thanks Pontius. I do have a scribing tool from Testors or some other company, just never had the balls to gouge a model with it.

^^I'll give that site a lookie-loo Bar. Thanks.

[R L Bleecker]

Oh yeah.. those scalers work nice. I have a carbon-steel hole center marker that works the same way that scaler does. I'm starting to prefer it over the other methods... being a point, you can turn corners and radii easier.

[beeblebrox666]

My first scribing attempt. :)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0018.jpg

[79 daytona]

Great job!!

[beeblebrox666]

Thanks.
I had a hard time finding the Dymo labels. The twerp at Staples said "I don't think they make those anymore." and "That was a little before my time." Dumbass.;)

[79 daytona]

Twerp is right i work at office depot and we sell those.

[Richard_2001]

Turned out 100 times better than my first one did great job!! You have skills!!!!

RIchard

[beeblebrox666]

Getting the hang of it.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0019.jpg

[SpaceMind]

Nice work!!!

[beeblebrox666]

Thanks. Never too late to learn a new trick.:D

[bar]

Looking really good!
Another trick is to use styrene stock to make a ridge behind where the panel came off, and drill the stock all the way aong(Maybe five or six holes in each line), to look like the internal frame that the panels are rivetted to.
Bar.

[beeblebrox666]

Been thinking about doing that. I made little corner tabs to represent attachment points, but they look a little odd.

[droplite]

Bar wrote
Another trick is to use styrene stock to make a ridge behind where the panel came off, and drill the stock all the way aong(Maybe five or six holes in each line), to look like the internal frame that the panels are rivetted to.

Interesting.... have a pic of that... having a tough time visualizing it.

[bar]

Been thinking about doing that. I made little corner tabs to represent attachment points, but they look a little odd.


I saw those.
This will be a real conversation piece, so it's best to add the little details if you can. A frame with holes would be a knockout blow of detail which will sell the scale!
Bar.

[bar]

Bar wrote


Interesting.... have a pic of that... having a tough time visualizing it.


Sure thing!
If you imagine a fighter jet with all the tightly fitted panels, well behind each access panel, there is a lip which the panel rests on(And usually, there is a skeleton of this framework, and that's almost all that the plane is, with panels on top!). And there is a row of rivets(Or other fixings), which are used to attach the panels on.
So, if you have a panel off, you really need to have a lip that the removed panel will rest on "When it's attached". And drilling the lip makes it look even more realistic.
Here are some images of real world aircraft with access panels removed(First one is the best, but the rest all show similar things):

Geddit?



http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/All_the_good_usernames_are_taken/Misc%20junk/tc_p38-18.jpg


http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/All_the_good_usernames_are_taken/Misc%20junk/060509-F-6890S-012.jpg


http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/All_the_good_usernames_are_taken/Misc%20junk/070202-F-3306W-002.jpg


http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/All_the_good_usernames_are_taken/Misc%20junk/z3iq3.jpg


http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/All_the_good_usernames_are_taken/Misc%20junk/51-004.jpg

[SpaceMind]

That would look sweet on that open panel.

[droplite]

Thanks

[beeblebrox666]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0020.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0022.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0021.jpg

[79 daytona]

WOW!! That looks outstanding!!:D I just love the detail work your doing.

[SpaceMind]

That is excellent!!!!!

[dbhs]

:eek::eek::eek:

This is fantastic work, Beeblebrox !!!

The mods you're doing look great. Keep the pics coming....

[robn1]

Great work! I've been debating re scribing the lines on mine, but after seeing
yours I'm definitely doing it!

[bar]

THAT IS PHENOMENAL!!!!
Well done with that. It REALLY sets the detailing off!
When it's all painted up, and the frame is a different colour from the exterior panelling, the extra work will have been worth it!
Kudos!
Bar.

[Andrew C.]

Excellent work! The pictures are a joy to look at. :cool:

[Griffworks]

Alex Dumas has a good one on his site.
And he scribed a 1/72 Viper with it... (http://www.geocities.com/adumas02/howto_scrib.html)
I have the BEST SCRIBER IN THE WORLD in my possession.
It's a $78 dental scaler...
I use it all the time for panelling. It's unsurpassed in it's strength(It's made of surgical steel), and in it's ability.
Here in 'Murrica, you can sometimes get "old" dental tools for free from your dentists office, just for the asking. Most offices throw the old tools away or dispose of them as medical sharps waste - tho I don't think there's anything which requires that. A couple of fellas in the local model club have gotten them from their various dentists. Just ask and most times they'll give them to you for free.

I've gotten the dental clinic on-base to give me about two dozen tools in the past for free. I then give out these tools to friends and cohorts w/the caveat that if you ever decide you no longer want 'em to just GIVE them to someone else and not ask any money for them. I've still got 8 different dental tools - most are picks - that I use for various applications in modeling.

[bar]

That's good too.
If you see the base dentist and he has an extra one, what you're looking for is a hooked scaler. You will NEVER find a scriber which matches it. I guarantee it.
Bar.

[droplite]

Gotta say.... WOW

Yeah... I now understand what was being said and it does make the difference in the final product. :salute:

[beeblebrox666]

All panels scribed. Working on the canopy.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0023.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0024.jpg

[SpaceMind]

Damn that is looking good. That suggestion on the open panels just makes all the difference. EXCELLENT work!!!

[79 daytona]

That looks great!! That panel lines really makes it stand out.:D

[Boxster]

Very nice work as usual, BB man! Makes me want to order these kit right away! Damn, still not get them yet!

B

[bar]

Very good Jerry!
It's really come together nicely.
Now *all that is missing*(And i mean that in a nice way), is to take your pin vise with a drill that matches the holes you put in the visible framework, and put the corollary holes on EVERY panel. If you can, make sure the rivets on one panel, match the rivets on the opposite side of the panel gap. It makes sense if the panels you have removed have rivets/fasteners, the rest will too.
This type of thing:



http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/All_the_good_usernames_are_taken/Model%20stuff%20Misc/DSCF1498.jpg

[beeblebrox666]

Thanks for all the input Bar, but I don't really want to add anything to the outside surfaces of the panels.

You got me thinking though.

All the removed panels could have corresponding fasteners affixed to the inside surfaces. This could suggest a future technology not requiring a visible external part.

[Wombat]

The more ya do the sweeter it looks there!
Bloody good stuff!:cool:

[LastBattlestar]

You got me thinking though.

All the removed panels could have corresponding fasteners affixed to the inside surfaces. This could suggest a future technology not requiring a visible external part.

Mag-lock fasteners? Could be a problem when the battery goes flat- all the access panels would fall off!:D

Damn nice build going on there.

Mike, Oz

[beeblebrox666]

More work on the canopy.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0025.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0026.jpg

[79 daytona]

That looks GREAT!!

[SpaceMind]

Excellent work!!!

[beeblebrox666]

Since this thing can be completed in several sub-assemblies, I may be able to paint some of this soon. Anyone know what shades of gray I need? There's a pretty good selection of Testors paints I can get locally.

[beeblebrox666]

I know. I'll paint it gray.

[Wombat]

Well dude,when i've done my Vipers i've used a custom mix to get the colour i like.
Infact i couldn't get a colour i was happy with on my second Viper and ended up going back to the original mix i used on the first.Still had some left over and the paint codes and just matched it again.
Mine was Humbrol enamels satin white#130 and a satin grey#166.
I just matched it to my original mix like i said and i think it worked out ta three or four parts white to one part grey.

Hope that helps.
http://www.resinilluminati.com/showthread.php?t=5244

[The Cat]

Damn that's some fine work there Zaphod.

[beeblebrox666]

^^I've been watching some episodes on Netflix (not the best picture quality) and I'm sure I can find something that looks right to me. I like what you've done Wombat.;)


http://www.resinilluminati.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21784&d=1230105436


^Thank you kitteh. :D

[robn1]

I was thinking of using gull gray on mine, as long as it's not too dark after weathering.

[beeblebrox666]

Played with a little salt.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/beeblebrox424242/Viper/0027.jpg

[bar]

NIIIICE!!!!
I'm so looking forward to seeing this one all done!
Bar.

[79 daytona]

COOL!!!:D

[Wombat]

Nice touch with the salt there.
So what colour did you end up going with for the base,it look's pretty good?

[Peagis]

looks good, was wondering the same as wombat, what paint color did you use?

How does the 'salt' weathering work? I've seen it mentioned a few times and thought the effect would work great for the 1/6 Boba Fett i'm doing..

[droplite]

The way I understand it is this way... paint your metalic color on the model. Wet the area and sprinkle salt on it and let it dry. Then spray your base color over it and let it dry. Once dry, rub the salt off and there you have it.

As for the salt, I have heard of using table salt to sea salt.

[Peagis]

What salt did you use?

[beeblebrox666]

Table salt, just as described above. While it's wet you can move the crystals around. Oh, and I used Testors Camo Gray and I think it's Italian red.

[The Cat]

I used Testors Camo Gray and I think it's Italian red.


Sounds like a good combo.

[79 daytona]

Great chose on colors .:D